Tie into Boincstats to get project ranking?

[ski1939]

Surely the question could be asked of the project server at the same time as the project is updating.  It already receives the number of points you have, all it needs is one more number.

I'm not aware of BT connecting with the BOINC project servers, only with the local and remote host's BOINC agents and TThrottle.

[hucker]

Oops, yes I forgot BT is seperated from BOINC somewhat.  So there would have to be a separate contact made with the project server.  But nevertheless, it's just a "what position is Peter in", "324".  Not really an overhead.

[Pepo]

Such contact would be simple, yes, but I remind you again: the server software does not know such query, the only stats export are the (moderate to huge) stats files.

[hucker]

So is the only option a stats file from every project or a stats file from a project manager?  If a project manager could be contacted that would be good, as presumably the stats for all your projects could be grabbed in one file, say once a day or less.  Or even the project manager might give just the rankings list?

[Pepo]

...a stats file from a project manager?  If a project manager could be contacted ...

You may call me ignorant, or I've just missed it, but... what is a "project manager"?
If you mean "Account Manager", then I've no idea, whether it has any project rank information. I've not used it yet.

[hucker]

Oops, yes "account manager".

[fred]

If you mean "Account Manager", then I've no idea, whether it has any project rank information. I've not used it yet.

As far as I know, the account manager only adds or removes projects.

The BOINC client communicates with the projects, but only retrieves statistics, as shown in the credit graph.
You can try a feature request: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/

Most ? projects have a http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/top_users.php ranking list.

[hucker]

BAM account manager keeps stats.  If you could get this from their server.....

http://boincstats.com/search/all_projects.php?cpid=53ed9d9b7d568cb7eb1ccc25a7dc4492

[fred]

BAM account manager keeps stats.  If you could get this from their server.....

Something like this: http://boinc.netsoft-online.com/get_user.php?cpid=53ed9d9b7d568cb7eb1ccc25a7dc4492

[hucker]

Yes, brilliant.  So can you get that on anyone or does the user have to have an account with whoever that is?

Can that be integrated into the Boinc Tasks code?

[fred]

Can that be integrated into the Boinc Tasks code?

It can, but it may take some time.
I will add it in so that it will NOT cause any overhead for those who don't use it.
Shouldn't be too complicated.

[ski1939]

@ hucker

You obviously have some value for this information.

I fail to find any use for it to manage BOINC hosts and would ask what value it has for you - how would you use it?

[hucker]

Don't you find it nice to know how well you are doing compared to others?

[hucker]

It can, but it may take some time.
I will add it in so that it will NOT cause any overhead for those who don't use it.
Shouldn't be too complicated.

Thanks!!

[Pepo]

@ hucker
You obviously have some value for this information.
I fail to find any use for it to manage BOINC hosts and would ask what value it has for you - how would you use it?

Don't you find it nice to know how well you are doing compared to others?

Indeed. There are a lot of BOINC users, who (simplified said) do it just for the competition. Having e.g. a "Rank" + "RAC Rank" columns in the Projects tab, in addition to "Credits" + "RAC" columns, might simplify them some lookups elsewhere and bring more fuel into the competition - I understand this all. (And this can turn to be one more + for using BoincTasks.)

Just without having such nice XML file from BOINC Combined Statistics (according to their forum announcement the data are absolutely free to use) or convincing BOINC devs to deliver these two additional values en route Project -> Client -> Managers (which would be the cleanest solution), things would be much more complicated.

So can you get that on anyone or does the user have to have an account with whoever that is?

I think BT should display ranking data just for the users and projects it is able to see managed clients. But that's fred's decision
Let's see in which form it will be presented